http://responsivebydesign.com/05/asce-policy-statement-465-lowering-the-bar/ Responsive By Design Tue, 06 Oct 2009 00:14:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://responsivebydesign.com/05/asce-policy-statement-465-lowering-the-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-306 Craig Fredeen Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:27:53 +0000 http://responsivebydesign.com/?p=1553#comment-306 Continuous education throughout one's career is the best way to ensure the public's safety (which most states have implemented). I applaud the efforts to increase the stature of engineering. But we will accomplish that by having the public recognize what we do, not by what degree we have. That's not stature, that's arrogance. The other major professional societies are starting to weigh in on this issue. For a counterpoint to ASCE's push of the MOE, see Licensing That Works at <a href="http://www.licensingthatworks.org." target="_blank">www.licensingthatworks.org.</a> Continuous education throughout one's career is the best way to ensure the public's safety (which most states have implemented). I applaud the efforts to increase the stature of engineering. But we will accomplish that by having the public recognize what we do, not by what degree we have. That's not stature, that's arrogance. The other major professional societies are starting to weigh in on this issue. For a counterpoint to ASCE's push of the MOE, see Licensing That Works at http://www.licensingthatworks.org.

]]> http://responsivebydesign.com/05/asce-policy-statement-465-lowering-the-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-305 Craig Fredeen Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:26:00 +0000 http://responsivebydesign.com/?p=1553#comment-305 Only 20% of engineers get their PEs, with the vast majority of that being civil. Yet, the rest of us are just as vital to the health, safety, and welfare of the public. We'll be hiring the kid with the masters in computer chip design to get their PE so somebody can sign the work of the engineer with a BS who's been in the industry for 10+ years and knows what they're doing. That sure protected the public! If it's an issue with the engineering education, then fix it through the accreditation process, not through licensure. That way all engineers will benefit, not just the 20% who get licensed. And finally… Only 20% of engineers get their PEs, with the vast majority of that being civil. Yet, the rest of us are just as vital to the health, safety, and welfare of the public. We'll be hiring the kid with the masters in computer chip design to get their PE so somebody can sign the work of the engineer with a BS who's been in the industry for 10+ years and knows what they're doing. That sure protected the public! If it's an issue with the engineering education, then fix it through the accreditation process, not through licensure. That way all engineers will benefit, not just the 20% who get licensed. And finally…

]]> http://responsivebydesign.com/05/asce-policy-statement-465-lowering-the-bar/comment-page-1/#comment-304 Craig Fredeen Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:24:28 +0000 http://responsivebydesign.com/?p=1553#comment-304 This is may be fine for civil engineers, but don't push it on the rest of the engineering disciplines. I am a mechanical PE who specializes in HVAC and plumbing design. You'd be hard pressed to find a university that even has an HVAC class anymore. The building industry is the ones who need PEs the most, and those skills are pretty much learned on the job. Ask an electrical engineer about how much lighting, power, or signal design they learned in school. Not one mention of the NEC. And now you want us to get masters degrees? In what, plumbing fixture selection? The graduate programs in the non-civil engineering disciplines are research oriented, designed for the microchip or airplane designer. And how many engineers change their design emphasis in their careers? More… This is may be fine for civil engineers, but don't push it on the rest of the engineering disciplines. I am a mechanical PE who specializes in HVAC and plumbing design. You'd be hard pressed to find a university that even has an HVAC class anymore. The building industry is the ones who need PEs the most, and those skills are pretty much learned on the job. Ask an electrical engineer about how much lighting, power, or signal design they learned in school. Not one mention of the NEC. And now you want us to get masters degrees? In what, plumbing fixture selection? The graduate programs in the non-civil engineering disciplines are research oriented, designed for the microchip or airplane designer. And how many engineers change their design emphasis in their careers? More…

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